Living your Dance: Molly King

Samantha StoutMay 25, 2020Ballroom Chat: Episode #7
Ballroom Chat #7: Molly King
A conversation between Samantha from Love.Live.Dance and guest Molly King, West Coast competitor, instructor, published writer, podcaster, tiny home owner and overall awesome human being. We talk about how to 'Live Your Dance', the joys and challenges of owning a tiny home, her book 'Don't Stress', and the importance of living a whole life.
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Episode Transcript

Samantha: Good morning everybody. Welcome back. I'm your host Samantha from LoveLiveDance, and today I have a very special guest with me. She is a published author, podcast hoster, a professional dancer and instructor, a tiny home owner, back country skier, and a million other amazing things.

Please welcome to the show Molly King.

Molly: Thanks for having me. This is awesome.

Samantha: Yeah. I'm so glad that we get to chat. cause I, I am so excited to hear just all about kind of your history and dance and then also just life philosophy. Cause I think you have just some amazing kind of work life balance and how to find your focus ideas and concepts. So. Excited to get into that. for those of you that are tuning in live, welcome, welcome, welcome. If you have any questions as we go through, just pop them in the chat and we will address them or answer them as best we can. but let's just kind of jump it, jump into it. So you are a West coast dancer, you're a Westie, instructor and all star competitor. Is that correct?

Molly: I am. Love it.

Molly King's Ballroom Journey

Samantha: So tell me a little bit about, kind of what drew you to the dance scene and kind of how you got your start in that world.

Molly: well, gosh, I've, I guess I started dancing, you know, like many. Normal American girls in the like, you know, little teeny ballet things, and before it's even ballet and you're just dancing with scarves and doing those things. and then, you know, I think I was on different. In different classes, jazz. And I don't even remember. I was one of those kids that just, you know, I got shuffled around to things. So I tried a whole bunch of things. I was actually thinking about it on my run this morning. I haven't really giving credit to my high school experience where there was one class.

In particular, it was called an enrichment course. So it was just these little, like 45 minute things once or twice a week during our block schedule. And my friend's dad was actually teaching like partner dance. So we got very basic instruction on East coast swing. tango. I want to say Foxtrot and maybe one other, enough so that it's like, Oh, like touching someone else, like appropriately for the boy. Oh my God. That was like my intro to partner dancing, but at the time I was doing, where like hip hop, Well, team, you know, for the high school basketball games or whatnot. and then I did that in college as well. We went to state for a competition kind of thing. So it was super exciting. That was what I thought I wanted to do.

Like I want to be Justin Timberlake's backup dancer. Like that was exciting thing. but yeah, so I got into dance kind of throughout the years, but it was off and on. And then once I graduated college, it was, I started working corporate, but I still had this like. Itch cause I love performing. Like I was also in a lot of acting and improv and different things. And so, another goal was to be on SNL and stuff like that. And so I just, I really enjoy the performance aspect of it. and so I remember I made a goal, it was in November cause I liked to do my goal setting, not on the beginning of the year, cause I feel like it's more powerful when it's not. you know, culturally induced.

And so I was doing my goal setting in November. I remember it was my first job. I was in Denver. I had no friends except for my, like one coworker. There were four of us in the office. and I was like, you know, I just want to be dancing somehow, and performing somehow. And I don't know how that'll coalesce, but I would like for it to, so, You know, the next month I ended up meeting someone who used to dance in the Disney and the round like Lion King. So I was like, Oh, maybe this is it. Like connect to her, her dance for Disney or something like that. It didn't go anywhere but come new year's. So just like a month and a half later, I was actually, it was new years.

I had no plans and no friends cause this was a new city and all I did was like work gym, home. And that was my triangle. But I was like, you know what? Maybe I'll just. Say, I'm going dancing. Cause I know people will ask, you know, in the office, I was like, I'm going dancing and and then come the night of new year's.

I was like, Oh, I should probably go do the thing that I said I was going to do is actually, I like Googled, like where to go dancing in Denver and there's a place called the Turnverein and, And so I just like dressed up and went at like 10 30 I was like, I dunno, let's go check it out, and I show up, and it was, I was definitely the youngest one there by life two generations

Samantha: Been there. Been that person, I can understand where you're coming from.

Molly: But I'm here. So I was like paying at the door and it was like 45 bucks for the night. And I was like, geez, but I'm here, so I guess I have to do it. And I was like, so did everyone bring a partner? Cause it looked like they all had their own thing going on. And she's like, no, no, no. Like everyone switches. They're super nice, you know, and gave me that spiel and it's like, okay. So I like went and sat down and watched and they're doing, you know, like Foxtrot. Hustle waltz, probably two step and a couple others too. And I knew enough from that high school class actually to follow.

I used to also like go salsa dancing and bachata and all that stuff. So like, I had some skills, but, I just kinda jumped in. Finally, I was like, if I paid this, I gotta go like. To make the most of this night. So I do, I do credit my introduction to West coast though, from one man that I met that night, his name is Ron White, and, and he's like, are you a Westie?

And I was like, what? What? He's like, West Coast Swing, like I, I don't know, I just thought it was like a variation of East coast thing. So like, no, but I could probably learn, he's like, you should go. It's on Sundays. And I'm so like. It was a day or two later that I went and I didn't go to the lesson. I just assumed I'd be able to figure it out.

Like most other dances, I can be like, Oh, that's the basic. Okay, let's go. Not West coast. The barrier to entry is a lot higher for West coast, but I think it's a lot more worth it, you know, to get over that hump and feel that competency. It took awhile.

Samantha: Yeah, I would definitely agree with that. Coming from the ballroom background. The first time I jumped into a West coast class, it was like, wait, what's going on?

Like all of the rules that I've trained for are now being broken and I don't know how to find my footing.

Molly: Yeah. And to have like eight count music with a six count pattern. Like what. Who does this? Do you not know how to, okay, fine. It does work ultimately. But I was very lost for awhile and, yeah, but thank goodness I had some, some very kind people along the way to encourage. But I do remember actually the night that I walked into the West coast, it was also at the Turnverein, and, and I ended up meeting some of my favorite people there.

It became very much a dance home. I actually did a workout with some of the people that I met there. 10 12 years ago this morning. but I remember walking in and seeing the crowd of people. And also hearing the music and realizing it's not big band music. It was definitely more contemporary and something I actually choose to listen to, like in my car or wherever that I was like, Oh, I liked that part and I saw it the way people were moving, which also had a little bit of like, there was definitely some hip hop in there that I was like, Ooh. I think my body could do this. Like I just have to unlearn that. I, I don't know how, like, I, I'm sure my body knows and I just kind of have to like move away anything that would get in the way, but I just loved that. And I, the other side of it too is that there are older women dancing. Like probably my mom's age. And, and my mom was, let's just say, like, not the most graceful person. and that's totally fine. She just wasn't super feminine. Like, she ran the house, she was doing all these things, and, and I just didn't have like an, an example of, of femininity around me that much.

And so to see older women. Be, so beautifully graceful and like at home in their body and move in a way that I was like, Oh, I don't think I can do that. But that's beautiful. And I, it was just this like side of me that was attracted to seeing like. A very beautiful feminine expression that I just hadn't developed in myself yet. And it was definitely a journey cause I walked in a total tomboy, like I grew up doing sports and all the things and like I wore umbro shorts and like a tee shirt and the Adidas Sambas like that was my uniform growing up. And, And I remember my first workshop with Tessa Cunningham, and she's like, let's just go across the floor, like moving our arms, like you're going through water. And I was like, Ooh, my body doesn't do that. That's not going to happen. I was like, you're telling me to like hit something? I can go. But, yeah. So it's been a pretty sure, but gratefully. So

Samantha: that's fun though, that they, you had these kinds of checkpoints in your life that all led up to this moment where it's like, okay, I have kind of had these other experiences. I'm ready to dive in the deep end and just trust that everything that's led me up until this point will get me through. I think that's, that's fantastic. And obviously you enjoyed it enough to pursue it on a professional level now, instructing and teaching and coaching workshops all over the world. You're traveling international, not now, but last year you were traveling internationally.

Molly: Yeah, we were supposed to go to South Korea this year. We were starting to get hired at different events, which was super exciting. and I had traveled internationally to dance, priors as a participant. I did get to judge at the Dutch open a couple of years ago, and I got to compete in France and Poland and Australia. So that was a lot of fun. It's just crazy.

One of the things I love about it too, is it's such a, I mean, any kind of community, I'm sure there's lots of them out there. We're all different subcultures, of course. Yeah. But you know, having dance as a language, no matter where you go. Like I was able to one time in France be like, you know what? I need a dance fix. And I was able to go find like a salsa club and, and go have a really good night with people I don't know. And you know, I don't, I speak French ish, but like enough to go have a good time and then, you know, feel like I have a home in a different part of the world. So it's, it's really cool to have that kind of common denominator. As, as you travel too. It's awesome.

Samantha: Definitely. I think you're absolutely right. Dance is its own language and it is a unifying force between people of different backgrounds,cultures, and languages. It'sone common aspect that we can all speak and we can all communicate with each other through, especially when you're doing the social dances like West coast and bachata and salsa, where you have more of a back and forth. That's something that James and I kind of got into when he was on the podcast - about how West coast swing in particular has this fantastic opportunity for improv and back and forth between lead and follow. It really is an ongoing dialogue, whereas ballroom dance is still, we're still communicating with our partner, but it, in a lot of cases, it's more one sided where the lead is instructing or asking a question and the follow is responding by either accepting or ignoring. Very rarely in ballroom dance as a follow do I get to say, "Oh, I'd like to do this now. Here, please." In West coast, that's kind of the entire point is, you know, the lead can open the door for you and you decide how you want to walk through it, or if you want to walk through it at all.

Molly: Totally. That's, yeah. That's what I love about it too, is that dynamic is so nuanced and so interesting that I think that's why people stay in it for so long, you know, that it's not hard on your joints and it's not, you know, all those things too. But, It's, it's something that like, there's just continual depth. I don't know if there is an end, there is no arrival, which could be super frustrating on one side of it. And the other side is like, but you also have like a lifetime of, you know, insatiable curiosity that you get to keep kind of going back and still finding depth and new, new aspects of it to enjoy.

So I don't know how I would do in a ballroom setting. I think I could, there's so much technique and things to learn that I think there is so much. Sorry. but there's, you know, it has so much depth in a different way. Yeah. I, it's the same way I think about like, if I had been born during like the revolutionary era of America, like I would not be a good feminine mousey like just do what I'm told person and like, it's just not going to work for me. So I'm grateful to have found a dance that allows me to have some self expression. Sometimes I don't even want to like put a lot out there and I'm like happy to do, you know. Just follow and just listen and be that, and sometimes I have a lot to say, like if Shoop comes on, I'm going to have a lot to say in that song. You know, like your favorite jam comes on. You're like, Ooh, sorry. I'm going to also dance this one a lot.

Samantha: Yeah. Whereas if, if that comes on and I'm doing a chacha with my partner, and it's like a song that I absolutely adore, I'm like, okay, I might back lead you here and I'm sorry, but I just got to move to this song the way I want to move.

Molly: yeah, I do that leaders, at least from what I've heard. When, when followers do commit to movement, they're happy to go along with it. many times, you know, as long as we're not shouting over each other in that lead follow connection. But like sometimes it's a really nice break for the leader not to have to generate content, right. All the time. So as long as we're not like, like hesitant about it, if we're just like, Oh, I'm going here. And he's like, yes, we are, you know? And it's so much easier to just. Be a part of that. When someone has an idea and they're ready to go for it for a while, it's like, yeah, thank you. Now I don't have to know it, like figure out what to put in that spot.

So yeah, I like that balance.

Samantha: It's, it's dance meets improv theater. Like if, if you understand the principles of yes, and you will be successful in a good West coast swing social.

Molly: Absolutely. That's like one of my, someone was asking me like, what do you think is one of the most important aspects of West coast? You can understand and demonstrate the yes and then you're going to be just fine. Cause that's really all it is. It's, you know, contact improv needs some structure. Meats, figure it out. So yeah,

Dance as a Language

Samantha: I love it. So getting back to dance as a language and dance as a line between art and life. I think that's a really great transition to some of the other things that you do outside of dance instruction, which is your podcast and your book. So the podcast, and correct me if I'm wrong, the podcast is entitled "Live Your Dance."

Molly: It is, yes.

Samantha: What does that mean live your dance? How are we living our dance?

Molly: When I found dancing - especially with West Coast in particular - it was as though I had found the dance. I never knew that I always wanted it, like fit me. It was a perfect vehicle for me to have self expression, to find my self expression. and to kind of round out like all of my own, you know, this is who I am kind of thing. I used to work corporate. I was doing marketing. I was doing all these different things, but I definitely felt, you know. maybe triangular, like I had certain sides of me, but I wasn't kind of a full wheel yet. I had certain like pie pieces that weren't quite developed. And so dance kind of helped me round it out so that my wheel could actually travel in a much more fluid way, you know? And, so my idea was that. You know, if I'm living my dance, that's kind of the, the feeling.

I want to have that full expression, feeling fully utilized, rolling with the full wheel intact. and I would like that for anyone. And it doesn't have to be dance related per se, like dance for me is the metaphor to get there, but. you know, someone could be killing it at, you know, working at Facebook or being a farmer or whatever it is. And I still feel like you can live your dance. So the idea of the podcast was to really kind of identify people who have done that and done it well, not necessarily like struggling artists, cause I still feel like. We all need to figure that out to some extent that like it is okay to not struggle, you know? And to have that. But I wanted to find people who are really actively in that pursuit and doing it well, and then study them and see, you know, like what are the common threads here? What is, you know, what are the principles that if I were to also apply them to my life, I could have demonstrable success as well.

So that was kind of my goal was to kind of just. Get to bend someone's ear or no. Pick their mind, their brain, that's the word. and just kind of, yeah, I just love learning from other people. and so that was my selfish way to get to talk to people. I learned more about their stories, but also hopefully, you know, in recording it benefit others too. That turned into the podcast, which then led me to some other stuff too, books and whatnot. So, yeah. It's a whole the whole thing

Samantha: It's a whole thing. I love it. I'm certainly discovering this as I'm doing the stream and the podcast. The podcast is a great platform to make the excuse to reach out to people and to learn from them. I love to hear about all of these things that you say you do and then use that hour to engage in a great conversation and learn a lot about each other and hopefully make, you know, friendships or networking opportunities down the path, but also just to learn and absorb all the information that other people have to give.

On the episode with Krista, we talked about the importance of women supporting women in the industry and learning from each other. That way we aren't all trying to recreate the wheel, right? If someone's already built the wheel, let's get together and figure out how to put an axle on this thing. Let's figure out like how to make a lever and pulley system. Now that we figured out this one thing, the fact that we're all trying to recreate the same thing doesn't get us anywhere.

Molly: Wow. And I'm such a proponent of efficiency and like if there something to I, sometimes I'll have ideas. I have a lot of ideas and it's hard for me to like focus on a few. but if I'm like, Oh, I want to do, you know, like a retreat with yoga and dance and whatever, and it's like, Oh, someone's already doing it. Oh. And they're doing it really well. Awesome. Now I don't have to do it like they can, they can run that and I'm sure they're going to do it. Great. I can start on my idea or give that idea to someone else and they can go do it. You know, it's like, ideas are a free market. Like it's not like I need to own something, but also like if I did choose to do it, it's just as valid. It's going to be different and unique cause I'm doing it. But I, I totally agree. Like the women helping women thing is. Is so help. It's helpful. It's so supportive and it's, you know, being a woman is a unique experience, obviously. and there are certain things that are just innate to being a woman that can't, you know, you can explain it, but the, the visceral, the feeling of it is not something, you know, a man or someone else could understand.

So it's really nice. It's to have, you know, my friend and I were talking, she does a lot of work with, our cycle. And some people are like, Oh, are you on your cycle? It's like, no, we have a cycle all the time. Like it is one big cycle. And so sometimes on

Samantha: That's the whole cycle thing. It's cyclical.

Molly: Yeah. So if you didn't understand, so it was just nice to like talk about that. And then we were talking about how to goal set according to your cycle. Cause there are times when you're just going to have more energy and times when you want to be in a cocoon and it's okay. And I wish I understood that earlier. So I wouldn't be like planning a product launch on the day my period started like, why did I not know that? And then I'm like, fetal trying to launch videos and it's like this is not a good idea. Shouldn't have done that. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway

Samantha: if someone could go back and tell 13 year old. Like all, all, all of us when we were 13 like this is what you really need to expect. Nobody is going to tell you this like, it's okay. You are going to be in a sad, I just want to eat ice cream in my blanket fort mood two days out of the month, every month for the rest of your life. And that's okay. And then about, you know, two or three weeks later you are going to have a 48 hour period where you are going to blitz clean your entire house because it has to get done today.

Molly: This is why my house got cleaned.

Samantha: Yeah. Absolutely.

Molly: thank God that she's doing her work. Cause now I get to learn from her and my life is better for it. So precisely.

Samantha: Precisely. So, we'll talk about the house real quick and then I want to get to the book. Books?

Molly: Book for now but more on the way.

Tiny Houses and "Don't Settle"

Samantha: So tiny house, we can see it if you are watching the stream or the video version of this. Very cute, very adorable. Very tiny. So what, what drew you to tiny home living? what are the positives that you have found and what are the challenges that you've overcome.

Molly: Thanks for saying challenges. They're not negative. Yeah. I've been trying to kind of. But find that thread that led me all the way back to like, why I like tiny spaces. I think part of it, you know, as a kid you find little nooks and hiding spots and whatnot, and I hit a lot. We did a lot of hide and seek. I think actually part of it was reading the Boxcar Children growing up and the idea that they had this like found object that they turned into their little Fort slash home and it was their space. Like I had so many, I played in the woods a lot with my friends and we would create forts and yeah, you'd find like an old washing machine and that's where you would store all your treasures.

And like that was just a total part of how I grew up. And, And there was a time I had like a pretty major breakup at one point. And so I ended up doing a lot of research. you know, I was like, maybe I want a doc, maybe I want to live in Thailand, maybe I want to, you know, it was just like anything. So like, find out the next part of my, evolution. But, That it was like 2016, I guess. And I started researching tiny homes and I was like, wait a sec. Maybe I could even like pull one on my car and then I could be super mobile and I could, you know, dance or the country or, I don't know it was kind of before the van life thing was totally trendy. It was pre that, but I was thinking at that point I would trail something and be. yeah, super portable. But the more I really looked into it and I went and saw a bunch of trailers, the lack of toilet, or if it did have a toilet, it made it heavier. And then you have to figure out where to put the gray water, where to dump, where to get electricity for yourself.

It was like a lot of logistics. So not that I'm not capable of it, but I didn't. I've lived in, lived out of my car for six months, and I did a big road trip at one point. and it's logistically very intense. Like you don't have as much free time as you think you do, where you're like, I'm just driving. You're like, actually, no. I have to figure out where I'm going to stop, who I'm going to stay with. All these things just happened. And then car troubles and whatever. So, yeah. Anyway, the, this tiny home came about kind of as a result of that. I, I did all that research and then I tabled it and I was like.

If it works out, that'll be great. I would love to. and so when the idea came to come to salt Lake to work with James, my dance partner, I was like, you know what? I don't want to live in another apartment. I've lived in a ton of apartments. I've moved a lot. and they're just kind of the same. And I want a space that feels unique. So it breeds unique creations, and it fosters kind of that creative side that it makes me realize, like I'm not just in a cookie cutter life. You know, I feel like our space has really influenced the way we think and move. And anyway, so I really wanted this space to kind of nurture those feelings. And and this popped up on Facebook marketplace like a few weeks before I ended up moving here. And it was the perfect, I just, I loved it from like the first get go. So, it was even cooler when I finally connected with, the woman whose property it's parked on, cause it's actually stationary, it's, it was moved here and then they put it on jacks and built kind of like a wooden skirt. So it's like. It's here. for the most part, you know, but I'm in the backyard of someone's house, so I'm friends with them. They have another renovated space, like we're this little village and it's awesome. but she was like, just so you know, it has like a compost toilet. And I was like, that's great. I've used them before.

I used to work at a camp. That was a thing. She's like, okay, well. Yeah, chickens, and I was like, Oh, that's awesome. My sister had chickens, like, there's a, you know, if you need help with the coop, whatever, let me know. She's like, well, okay, cool. I also have little kids, and a teenager, and I was like, awesome. I work with teenagers in the leadership capacity. I've lots of nieces and nephews. If you want me to like clean up the kitchen? Sometimes you just bake for you guys, like whatever. Let me know. She's like, ah, okay, well you sound great. Let's do this. I was like, okay.

Samantha: Clearly someone that had previously interviewed, people that were just looking for the Instagram experience and when they found out the reality of it, they were like, I'm outta here.

Molly: Wow. Yeah, I think so. I think and like, yeah, it's, it's not always easy. So like, the challenging parts I would say are, are some of those chores, like emptying the compost toilet. that's the thing. It doesn't have running water, so it's its own kind of like closed system. and and the liquid is separate from the solid. So the liquids have to be emptied probably every week, depending on how much you drink or you're in the house. and then solids empty like once a month. and then. There's propane for the, the heating, so sometimes those go out and I run out of propane so that I have to go get it filled up and they're probably like 55 pounds each because they're eight gallon tanks. So then like doing both of them and carrying them into the, you know, it's a good workout. and different things like the house isn't totally level, like it all kind of floats to that back corner cause that's where all the appliances are. You know, like I'm trying to do dance stuff here.

I have this like, portable little dance studio that I can create with mirrors and I move all the furniture. but when I do spins, like I inevitably fall into that side of the house. So like, I can't really do technique in here right now because I need to go, you know, get an air compressor to help lift the house. I like the drain will, you know, freeze on really cold mornings and and then they backed up like little things. But I feel like every house has it stuff. So I'm just choosing to have unique stuff. It's not like. Any houses is different, but I enjoy it. Or actually, that's been a challenge actually having a ladder bed anytime I've been injured or don't feel well, it's not my favorite situation to kind of have to clamber up and down. I make it work, but it's, you know, okay. Thankfully, no accidents have happened or anything like that, but it's a, it's an added challenge. Like when I had a knee injury or a neck injury and I couldn't move very well.

So, It makes you stronger.

Samantha: Yeah, it's, it definitely works with a certain lifestyle and you have to be willing to take on some of those obstacles head on. It's not for everybody. , I know that, My husband and I were looking, when we first moved to salt Lake, we were looking at houses and apartments and ultimately settled on our townhouse, but we, we pretty quickly told the realtors that we were working with, like if it's under a thousand square feet, we're not looking at it because we will kill each other.

Like we, we need our own separate spaces. We love each other. Def w we love each other. It, it, we work. We just, we need areas of the house to diffuse every now and then.

Molly: Oh, absolutely. I'd, I couldn't agree more. And thankfully, like I haven't, I tried to live in this space. I've had guests come through and even then you're kind of like shuffling around each other in the kitchen area to the bathroom and whatnot. And It's tight. Like this is, the footprint is 198 square feet. And then you have the two like loft spaces, so I'm sure you know, let's call it 250 to be generous. But, yeah, it's tight and it's great for one person and it's great for someone who's, I'm an ambivert, but I'm definitely more introverted.

That's where I like to fill back up. So traveling and like last year we did 20 ish, more than 20 dance weekends. And, and I had other personal weekends, so I was gone almost 30 weekends. Last year was so nice to come here and like have my retreat space, my little Oasis and and fill back up and then go out and do the thing and then come back. So like, it works well. It works well for me in this chapter. And I don't know if I'll always do this, but I'm really enjoying it for sure. Even pandemic life, like I'm not tired of it at all at all.

Samantha: And we were talking before the stream too. They, that you are more outdoors you than I am. So you do, you know, the hiking and the biking and the running and back country skiing. So it's not like even as an introvert, you're cooped up inside all day. You're getting out and doing things and exploring nature and more.

Molly: I feel like it's a good balance. Like my, my spirituality, not that we have to go into it too in depth, but like I definitely feel more connected to my spirituality in nature. And so it's worth it to me to get out there and just have some quiet time and like reevaluate or just listen or give gratitude or whatever. It just feels like a more easy conduit to that. And so, yeah, the mountains are my preferred church for sure.

Samantha: I like that.

Molly: Yeah.

Samantha: so let's, let's talk about the book. Let's, let's get into the book. So the book is called, don't settle. I would say, I'm just going to let you dive into it.

Molly: yeah, the first book is called don't settle. Start living a lie if you love, which seems very appropriate for your podcast. and I actually wrote that, well, the story was, I definitely knew I had a book in me and I've, I think I've known that for a long time, but I never actually thought.

I don't know. I didn't know how it was going to go, actually get it out of me. and I ended up in 2014. Running a Kickstarter campaign. I was on fire about it and I was all about it. And it was basically like, okay, if dance and writing had this love child, it would be this book. And the book was live your dance. And that was the whole concept. And, I was gratefully, I mean, it was supposed to be a book about kind of dance in life. And then my journey to the U S open that year, which I was doing with a different partner. And, So I was raising money for the research and for the time and for the competition and the training and all that stuff.

So it was awesome. I mean, I was able to generate 27,000 in 27 days and we got it going. And, and then when I sat down to really write this book, I realized it was not just one book, it was at least two. And so it was so much easier to just kind of like. Make that break from the get go. And that's where "Don't Settle," came out of, and it was much more about like the beginning of the journey, the leaving the corporate, making that decision, which was a really hard decision. it was really filled with a lot of angst and. You know, changing your path that much. When I had an amazing opportunity in front of me and I was working with celebrity chefs and designing shoes and doing these things, and it was like, why would I ever say no to this great life, mountains, beach, company credit card, like just amazing experiences and sitting at the table with CEOs, Billion dollar corporations like it was. Crazy. And I realized that, and it was also crazy that I wasn't as happy. I was really not happy at all. And so anyway, it's my journey to kind of figure that out.

And then, also kind of a workbook-y thing of like, okay, if you're at all in this, in this point process, in any version of it. And I go through different iterations, like, here's some ideas to think about. Here's some journal prompts. Here are some. Other anecdotes to kind of potentially support you on your journey, if that's helpful.

That was the first book, and it's more job focused. The Live Your Dance itself then became, like I was saying before we went live, it's gone through many iterations. I think I've written at least three times. And rewritten and rewritten it. And, and at first it was just going to be my podcast because I have all these great interviews and like using the content and calling that and, you know, really kind of coming through that to a succinct synthesis of all of it. but then again, that didn't feel right either. So it's, it's been this very organic process, but I think I have it dialed in now. And I'm about to release kind of an update of Don't Settle. So it'll be like the 2020 version. And then, the next book the Live Your Dance book should be out soon. And that way also my Kickstarter backers, the whole, the whole project, Should be, it should be wrapping up soon. And I keep saying that, but I really actually feel at this phase. The pandemic, ironically has been, I mean, it's been really hard in many ways, but it's also been very. Revealing and I realized how much mental bandwidth I've been. kind of allocating for this book. And it's really hard for me to take on new projects when so much of my process, my mental processing power is being like used in the background all the time on that book. And it's like, if I could get that finished and close that program, all my other RAM could be used to process the other new projects.

Like, I'm such a nerd, but that's how I feel about it. Like my mental allocation of where I'm putting my energy. It's time for that book to come forward. So I'm actually grateful for the opportunity to kind of minimize distractions and create that focus that I know needs to be there to create a quality, you know, I've already, I have all that I need.

I just, the time to put it together. Yeah. Yeah. That happened and I'm really excited.

Samantha: That's awesome. I am so excited for the book to come out because, Just from what we were talking about, before we went live. I think that the concept that you're running with for the second book is, I don't know if I want to use the word inspiring or just like, it's a direction that I really haven't seen put to paper. I feel like it's something that I've had a lot of conversations with people in and out of the industry, and I feel like, as a generation, like the millennial generation is having some of those conversations of like, okay. What makes you a whole person, like it's not going to be, I'm just getting the 401k and the, the job with the benefits and the vacation package and the corporate card and the corporate car, it's, you have to make sure that you are meeting all of your needs as a well rounded individual, and that means finding time for family.

That means finding time for hobbies that find that. Passion, pursuits, that that's like all of these different avenues and all of these, at the beginning you mentioned, like chunks of a wheel, right? Like pie pieces needing to get filled in. You do, you need to find all of your little pie pieces and make sure that it's creating this overall experience so that at the end of the day, you feel fulfilled as a person. I look at like my parents' generation and their parents' generation, and I feel like. Not that it was cookie cutter and not that everyone had kind of like this predetermined path for them, but it, it felt much more like the checkmarks that you were supposed to click as a person were you know, you want a job that has a retirement package that you're working full time. You want the, you know, 2.5 kids, the dog and the house. And if you do those two things. Your life will be wonderful and fantastic, but I think now we're realizing like, no, it's all of those other pursuits in life that really make it, a life worth living.

Molly: I totally agree though. I think if anything for them, those who have the luxury of working from home during. I think it still creates a lot of opportunity for us to kind of evaluate what is really important and when it's all stripped down and you're left with kind of like, okay, this is the life I've created. Am I really happy with this? Like. Yeah. I've had a lot of time to kind of just go through and do some mental inventory and say like, okay, I really like all these things, but what in my life have I not been putting attention to?

And I noticed like what atrophies and. Some of those things are actually still really important to me. So, I think in any, you know, at any point of life we should be doing that. But, just like a relationship, you know, it shouldn't be your source for every thing, for all your love and acceptance and affirmation.

Like it's okay to have a social life. It's okay to have hobbies and space and, you know, work pursuits. Like that whole man concept or that whole human concept is so important that. I agree. I think our, our current cultural, especially, it's very American of us to put work above everything. And I don't know that that's the most sustainable given, the stats. and you'll notice, like, unfortunately there's a stat about men that as soon as they retire, unless they have another chapter ahead of them. It's a pretty quick window before they pass on. And I, I believe that's, that's deeply ingrained in a sense of purpose and needing to have results and an outcome, especially for men in that masculine energy, and I don't know that we've cultivated that balance and finding purpose, you know, in a garden or in a, you know, other ways of finding that same thing. So I think, It's so worthwhile to make sure that we have, you know, I call it, you said passion proceeds. I'm calling them soul cultivators. Like that kind of that place where you're still, whether it's artistic or you know, if be like working on cars or whatever, but the, giving yourself the space to kind of dive into those things on the side and round out your experience as a human.

Samantha: I like that phrase. Soul cultivators. I think I will start using that. I feel like with passion-projects, it almost sounds like it's just a fun hobby, but no. I think you're right. I think you are cultivating something that is deep within you that needs to be realized or explored or furthered in a deeper way that's more meaningful. I like that. Soul cultivators. I will start using that.

Molly: It's just, yeah. The, the word passion, I think has gotten way over used. in fact, part of my update for the first book is taking out a lot of the word passion, and just putting in more descriptive words. Cause sometimes I use it in places where I was like, Oh, I could have, I could have been a little more articulate with the idea I'm trying to convey, and I do appreciate that. You know, there has been a little bit of pushback even on one of my episodes with Whitney English, who, She had kind of a predetermined path, but she realized that she was really good at manufacturing, you know, like stationary and paper products. And then she turned that into a, a very thoughtful daily planner that all of a sudden went gangbusters and all of a sudden she's like, Oh, I didn't necessarily follow my passion, but I followed my strengths. And so that's part of her thing is like following your strengths. And she was really good at a certain skill set. And I think that's super valid. And I, I don't think that should be overlooked.

But if it were to take away from your sense of self or your sense of fulfillment, I think that's where we still need to create that balance. So maybe that's why, like if you work the job that gets the bills, so you can pay for your family to eat awesome. But then what are you doing to also make sure you have you time? Are you getting to your MMA class? Are you getting to your whatever thing to make sure that you also, or feeling, you know, filled up? So, I think. I've lived a little bit more life since, my first book, and I'm grateful that, hopefully the next one will reflect that. I also feel the pressure of wanting this book to be so good, so that, you know, stalls me out sometimes, but, I'm working through that.

And I, yeah, it's, it's interesting to put, you know, just like dancers, our first few videos out there were like, we think we're great. We're out there. And then you look back on it years later, you're like, Oh God, like, look at those pigeon toed feet. Like, look at that arm line. Ah. but that's, I don't feel that way totally about my first book, but I definitely know like, this is like my first album, you know, like.

I'm going to grow and it's not going to be like the end all be all. So there are parts of that I'm like, Oh, you're such a cute 26 year old writing that. Okay. But you know, taking it for with a grain of salt, like I'm really proud that I did it and I'm really proud that it's out there and it's living out there and it's still helping people. And I still get emails from people every now and then of how it's supporting them in their journey. So that may, that's like the reason. You know, I could have just written it and not put it out there, but I'd rather share it and hopefully, you know, have it support other people. So, yeah. Yeah. It's, it's part of the journey.

It's okay to not be good first, and it's great to grow too.

Samantha: I definitely have lived that. I'm currently still living it, I guess. I tell my students that all the time that I want you to film yourself.I want you to put it out there, and I want you to be extremely proud of where you are in this exact moment, but know that it's a snapshot of where you are.

It's not, you know, someone putting a rubber stamp on your ability or your experience or your worth, because you're right. In two years down the road, you're going to look back at that video and go, wow. Oh my God, why the heck did I put that on the internet? Because that was bad. And then 10 years down the line, you're going to look at the video that you posted yesterday and go, Oh my gosh, what in the world was I thinking? So it's, it's great to have kind of those checkpoints because it does give you the ability to look back and go, wow. This is how far I've come. This is how much more life I've experienced. This is how much more, understanding I've, I've grown over over whatever time period you're looking at. yeah. I look back at some of the videos and some of the photos from like early dance competitions in college, and I'm like, yeah, Oh man, we thought we were hot stuff and I'm doing the worst like technique I have ever seen. If I had a student come in the studio that was doing that, I would correct them on the spot, but I didn't. I didn't know any better at the time.

Molly: Yeah. And I mean it's great to like, that's why I keep some of my, my very first comp videos up there on YouTube cause it's like, you know what? We all have a history and I used to be super cringy about it and now I'm like, I find it very endearing. Like I can at least separate myself enough to say like, Oh she was so excited about this thing. She was so happy about it and I love her enthusiasm. And I'm also so glad I've grown, you know, it's, and now when I'm teaching, I can see myself in other people's journeys and be like, Oh, they're living in like, you know, when I was in intermediate, they're facing those problems.

Like, I'm so glad I've gone through all the iterations. And, you know, I'm so glad I haven't. Like, I haven't made finals a lot in my journey and it's so nice, you know? I'm actually really glad I didn't get success really quickly because I don't think I would have as much depth kind of carved out of me through a lot of those hard disappointments that I now have, and I feel so much more mature in dealing with hard stuff. Like I was injured for two years. couldn't really social dance. I actually just had started social dancing again, like this January and then everything shut down in March. So it was like, I can dance again, and then everything shut down. I was like, eh, I can't. to some extent, I kind of just fell back into that same mental mode of like, Oh, I'm just injured, quote unquote, but now the world is injured.

I'm just not injured. but the, the waiting out of not being able to social dance was. Crazily difficult. Mentally. And that's like one of my favorite parts of the dance is getting to create with someone and connect in a moment, like have that space. so it's so interesting that like it says though, my, my injury years were quote unquote preparing me to not dance for this period of time. And. And it's okay. And there are other things I can spend my time on and still feel that, that feeling of progress and not stagnation because I've been more or less like locked off from that aspect. But it's like there are so many other aspects of dancers, many other aspects of life that I can work on in this meantime.

Samantha: I think that whether you're injured and you're a dancer, or you don't get the promotion that you want, or your job moves to a different location, or something doesn't go the way that you planned it, you have to go through a grief process. I feel like you have to go through those stages of grief. I can still dance even though my neck hurts, or my back hurts or my shoulder hurts, and then why is my body not letting me do this thing that I wanted to do? And then be really sad about the fact that you can't go out and dance with your friends and do the social dancing and then get to a point of acceptance and hit that point where you're like, okay, what is, what is life trying to prepare, prepare me for right now?

What is the lesson that I can learn. From this experience so that when I am healed and when I am able to do the thing that I do, or when I do get the promotion that I was hoping for, when I do get the opportunity to do, a trip somewhere, like how can I make sure that I'm ready for it when it comes to me

Molly: totally and not take it for granted. Like the few times I was able to dance. like there might be times, there were definitely times when I would go to a social dance or I'd be teaching and then the social event starts and I get maybe one dance. And I'm like, I gotta just enjoy the heck out of that thing because that's all I'm going to get for another month, you know?

and just to realize like how amazing it is to be healthy if you are, you know, or even when I wasn't, I finally cause my, my sadness part of the injury was more like really angry a lot. Like sad and angry and frustrated. And and that lasted like most of 2019 was my angry time. And, and I finally had like, come to Jesus moment in October cause I was like, I'm just making myself so miserable after every time I teach and a social dance starts, I just keep looking at the fact that I can't do this and everyone else can. And that resistance that I was creating was so. Hurtful to myself. And so I finally just sat down and I was like, alright, legitimately, Molly, you're gonna write out a list of the things you can still do. Even though in that point, at that point it was my neck, and then like neck hurts everything if you can't.

Yeah. It was awful. So I was like, you know what? I can still work on technique and leg lines, and like I have a list somewhere in my journal here. and it turns out I could do so much and I was totally negating that. By only focusing on all the things that hurt and the things that I couldn't do. And it was just like so eye opening to be like, Oh my gosh, I've, I created my own prison even smaller than I realized it was.

And I actually had a lot more available to me that I wasn't utilizing.

Performing at Utah Star Ball

Samantha: It is so eye opening for me to hear you say that because I think it gives a lot of context to some of the conversations that we had in the fall of last year. because I, I, I was like, you're such this, this positive light of energy. You, you have this great expression through your body, like, the showcase performance that you and James did at Utah star ball. I came away from that and I was like, Oh my gosh, that was fantastic. That was amazing. You like, you really were emoting and you brought us all into this sphere.

Not, not having context for the other stuff that you were emotionally and mentally processing at the time, now it all makes a lot more sense.

Molly: There's a, it's not, and it's, Oh my gosh. Even that, like I've had friends say they were injured, but I never knew or like didn't know what chronic pain was. You know, I have so much more respect for anyone dealing with that cause it just makes you grumpy and life is just hard, like normal life things. So, yeah, there's always a backstory. It's allowed me to be a lot more empathetic to people if they are not super warm towards me. I'm like, they could be dealing with so many things, and 99% of the time, it's not even me.

Like there's a lot more going on and it's not all about me. So, it's, it's been a good humbling process to go through and, I wouldn't wish it on anyone, but if you do go through it, it's a. It's rife with lessons if you're willing to, you know, excavate a little bit. But it can also be just awful and it sucks. And that's valid too. So yeah, my heart goes out to anyone dealing with shit cause it's sucks. Yeah, it's a process. And, and I do actually, I really liked our performance at the Utah star ball.

Samantha: It was gorgeous. You would need to be really, really, really proud of it because that routine was fantastic.

Molly: I L yeah, I really liked that routine. I'm really proud of, like, I feel like each time we have gotten to perform it, it's only been a few times now, maybe four or five. but I feel like each time we are at least able to perform. The best of our capability at that point. And then we grow a little bit more, and then we're able to perform at that level. And I'm really grateful for that because that's been, I mean, just performance, competency is, is kind of a tricky skill, you know, to be able to perform when, when it's crunch time. so it's really nice to feel like that's becoming more, More adept, even though mistakes happen, but like being able to recover and all those things.

Like it's, it's really fun to just grow in that aspect, to have it. But yeah, I love that routine. It's really, it's fun and I'm, I'm glad actually James picked the song on that one. cause our first routine, I pick the song and I was really excited about it. He wasn't as much, but. Like we go into it and then after awhile I was like, Oh, I'm really tired of the song.

It kinda like got old and it's funny cause James the next routine that we wanted to do. I was like, you know what? How about you pick the songs if you connect to it. I'll be able to, to connect to whatever. I'll make it happen. I've done acting like I'll do a, a scene study, I'll make a backstory, I'll figure out what my character did for breakfast that morning. Like I'll get into it, whatever. Like you pick, it's that at least you're on the, you know, on the train that you want to be on. And the end, he found the song and then he had to like sell me on it cause I was like, Oh, I don't know, not really feeling it. And we ended up mixing like acoustic and the produced version and that was a lot better.

But I like, I got to like it so much more and more and more. So that was a fun journey as it were, to, to grow into,

Samantha: yeah. He, he played this, I guess before you started working on it. He played the song and I can just tell that he was like super excited to it and I was like, I, I don't hear it. Like, I, I can't visualize it. But having seen the routine that you guys put together, and I guess you worked with, Kirsten,

Molly: yep Kirsten Obermiller,

Samantha: seeing the routine that you guys put together for that, like it, it fits the song so beautifully and I think it fit the two of you so well. because you both have your moments to really shine as performers on your own, and the story that you were able to narratively weave in, between the two of you is just gorgeous. I love that routine. I think it was great. I know we've got

Molly: before everything.

Finding the Music in Your Work

Samantha: I know we've got a hard stop coming up in a few minutes. Is there anything else that you would like to talk about or plug or, or delve into before you wrap things up today?

Molly: Great question. we're okay to go a little bit after 11, but, I should stop by 11:15. let's see. I think one thing that is interesting at this point given the current circumstances is finding how we can still - let me back up. In corporate, I had a boss who was very good at what he did. He was basically the man in charge of marketing for Ugg Boots and he brought Ugg from 33 million to 1.1 billion and more because he's still with them, but he also played in a band. He sat me down in his office - he was my boss at the time - and he's like, all right, Molly. I know you like dancing, like it was kind of a point of contention because, Yeah, the time I spent on the weekends and I would drain myself at the dance thing and then I'd come back, totally swung over on Mondays.

It was an issue and I did make a concerted effort not to have that happen. I didn't feel like it was very well acknowledged at the time, but he was basically saying like, okay, I play in a band and I love it a lot. And there was a point where I had to really figure out like, do I want to go and try to make that band pro thing, Or do I kind of stick with this weird company called Ugg when it was kind of just like a thing at the time before Oprah picked it up before all those things.

Samantha: Every college girl on campus was wearing them.

Molly: And I still have mine from like seven years ago that I got it at the like sales. anyway, it's, he basically sat me down and he's like, aye. What I had to find for myself was how to find the music in my work. How to find that, you know, that really cool orchestration between me and the other players. Of my team at work and how do we create something beautiful and magical together. And I loved that. And he's like, I want you to really look and see where you can find the dance in your work, and I thought that was such a good. Mentor moment for him to see in me, like the struggle and, and then really encouraged me to, to not put dance away, but define the dance in my work. And the, there is so many, like, once I started looking for it, I was like, Oh my gosh. Yeah. Like the way we, create designs together the way, you know, the production team works with our factories and gets our POS fulfilled.

Like there's so many parts that had to kind of come together. And it was really cool. You know, all of a sudden you can just see like a flow of energy or there's like a, there's a break and so then you have to fix, you know, there's a lot we did, we changed factories four times in one year. Like there is a lot of stuff going on, but there's a lot to see and learn too from that, which I loved.

And so since then, even in this time when it seems like dance is kind of in cut off, I'm like, well, where's the dance in the quiet? Where's the dance in the kind of respite that all of us are taking. And it's absolutely there if I look for it. And it's a slower pace and it's a little more subtle, but if you, like, especially my neighbors have a lot of, there's a bunch of little kids in our little group. There's a three, four and a five year old. And and I used to kind of like, at least when when life was happening, I'd kind of be like, Oh, you're cute, but I got to go to the studio, like run, run, run. And my life was just kind of very busy. But I, I took on the business as kind of a medal of. Look how important I am.

I'm too busy for you, you know? And it was, it was not good. and I knew that, but I didn't really know how to shift it. And so kind of forcing this situation has me realizing like, okay. I'm not really in a hurry anymore. I don't have to hurry anywhere. Also, I'm being better at like trying to be early so I'm not as hurried. You know, I'll, I'll leave a bigger buffer so that if I run into the kids in the yard, I can stop and like look at the lady bug with them and watch it crawl and you know, that kind of thing and really look them in the eyeball and like connect and actually make eye contact. So I realized I wasn't doing that cause it was.

It was too close or it was too, I don't know. There's something about it that was like, I didn't want to, cause I had to go to my next thing, whatever. So I'm, I'm interested to see, like I'm asking myself this a lot and like, where's the dance in not dancing? Where's the dance in book writing? Where's the dance in gardening? Cause we're doing this massive garden situation. you know, and just finding like. I wrote out my vision the other day of what I want to do and create as it's like shifting. And then I like checked back in and I was like, is that really what I want or is that what I think I should want based on Instagram or whatever? And then I had to redo it cause I'm like, yeah, no, I really like this pace. I don't know if I want to travel 30 weekends every year anymore. maybe I do like, you know, I just create. Spaces of full on respite for myself to know that I get to have that, if that's important to me, which I know it is now. I actually do live a slow pace and that's okay. And I can like rally and go full out, but it's for like moments that's not just my, some people are just high energy and they just go and I love that, but that's not me.

Samantha: Yeah. I want to circle back to a phrase that you used, which is like living in the quiet or dancing in the quiet moments. because that's a phrase I F I feel like it keeps coming back. I've used it in lessons with my students the last month or so. talking about the fact that often in dance, we're not dancing like the, the emphasis on the dance. If we're talking about like a waltz isn't the beats one, two, and three, but it's how we get to one. It's how we rise through two and three.

It's how we lower on three before one, it's. Creating moments in the silence that are interesting and exciting and thought provoking and, and it makes you feel something. It makes you want to explore something. So. I think absolutely, whether it's in the dance itself or whether it's in the dance that is life. It's finding those quiet moments and figuring out what can you do with them and not, not seeing them as a pause or a break or you know, a limit limitation, but actually as the thing that you want to strive for is like, how can I fill this moment with as much as I possibly can or just allow it to be a moment of breath and a moment of relaxation.

Molly: Yeah. I really liked that. It's so true, especially in waltz, like if you're not filling those spaces and you're just like arriving, like, Oh, that's not the waltz. We know because it is such a fluid, like the markers are only there to take a snapshot of like, okay, that's where you probably should be traveling through in that moment, but like, yeah, that's not the point at all.

Samantha: Yeah. The point is not to step on the count. The point is to. Push through the count

Molly: and drive through and like, yeah, with that heel lift. Oh yeah. And that's what I love about all of them is like, that's what gets me so excited is that metaphor in each little bit of the dance. And I, I think the Live Your Dance book, maybe just to close it out, is it was birthed from. One of my first lessons in Country Two Step, which is actually one of my favorite dances. I ended up, as soon as I found out West Coast Swing was a thing, I started going to the studio to learn with Monty and Kristin Ham in Denver. And I found out I was, they just opened the studio and I was standing next to Kristin as it kind of like transitioned to social dance.

And I saw people dancing and we were really good. compared to me, I was like two weeks in. And I remember mentioning to her, I was like, man, I just want to be good already. And she was like, well, you know, we do have a program where it's kind of like dancing with the stars. It was, she was explaining a Pro-Am basically, and it was for the country circuit coming up for the Colorado country classic. And she's like, if you want, it was in like three months. She's like, you could do like a crash, a crash test, and do waltz and two-step and East coast, West coast and nightclub two. And I was like, okay, great. Sign me up. I'm want to like, I get to dance with a pro, obviously. Let's go. so that's why we were in the two step lesson.

And he was basically saying. You know, if I'm going to lead you, you can't be split weight. You can't have 50% of your weight in each foot because I'm just going to push you over. You have to commit to one foot, and then that free foot is now available for me to lead it. And to me, that's very much like my relationship with the divine is like, I just need to commit to this step.

I can see right now, I don't necessarily need to know exactly where the dance is going to go, but I can see the, the next step like that, I can usually do that at least, and then my other foot is free. And I'm ideally, I want that to be guided. I don't want to force it. I don't want to anticipate it and get ahead of the beat and then lose my connection and not be in a partnership like I need to remain connected, remain guided, be listening, and take that initiative to take the step. You know, there's so many nuances in that. One thing that he said that I think that's where that book started and that's where, to me that like that beautiful, like the lessons of dance are. All of there for life. And part of me thinks like if I can incubate the things that I want in my life in dance, and then being able to let that kind of ripple out into my life, I'm going to be a better human.

And if I can do that, then other people can do that. And dance can be that vehicle. So.

Samantha: Absolutely, absolutely. in six months, you're coming back on and we're going to have like a whole life as dance, dance, as life, like metaphor, analogy, discussion. Because we, I, I feel like you and I are on such the same page as, as far as like, if you look at this aspect of the thing that you're doing in your dance and you extrapolate it out to life. What, what are you setting roadblocks for yourself in life that you know, not to do in dance, or what opportunities are you missing in life, but you know, to listen for in dance? So yes, I, you got to come back on, can I, can I get a S a short commitment that you'll come back on in a couple of months?

Molly: You're sure there's so much we can talk about. Probably even in force since. I'll be nerding out about it in my book for so long. So yes,

Samantha: maybe depending on timing of the book, maybe we can time it around then and we can, we can get into some, some deeper conversations

Molly: and accountability to get it done.

Samantha: Alright, well, thank you, Molly so much for coming on. If you want to, Find out more about her book, which is Don't Settle. Or if you want to kind of keep an eye on the progress of her new book, or you want to listen to old podcast episodes, or just find out about how you can connect with her, you can find her at That URL is below her on screen right now, but it'll also be in the description for this podcast, wherever you find it.

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I will be back next week with drum roll please. The incredible Kimberley Mitchell. if you don't know that name, shame on you. She is a several time over, Latin world champion. She is an incredible, instructor and coach and a judge on the ballroom circuit. She's insanely amazing and talented, and I can't wait to talk to her a little bit more about her dance background and all of the metaphors that we can get into with Latin dancing.

Yeah. so please tune in for that next Monday at 10:00 AM, so hope to see you guys there. Have a wonderful rest of your week.

Enjoy your Memorial day weekend. If you are listening to this live and, we will see you next time.

Molly: Thanks so much.